E198: 2020 in Review at FDSA

The last year has been... eventful. Denise and Teri join me to chat about some of the changes at FDSA and some of the exciting things yet to come.  


Melissa Breau: This is Melissa Breau and you're listening to the Fenzi Dog Sports Podcast brought to you by the Fenzi Dog Sports Academy, an online school dedicated to providing high-quality instruction for competitive dog sports using only the most current and progressive training methods.

Today we'll be talking to Denise Fenzi and Teri Martin about the latest goings-on at FDSA. Hi ladies, welcome back to the podcast!

Denise Fenzi: Hey Melissa, hey Teri. How are you guys?

Teri Martin: Good. Hi Melissa, hi Denise. Nice to see you guys.

Denise Fenzi: Good to see you too.

Melissa Breau: You know, it's been a year.

Teri Martin: That's true.

Denise Fenzi: It has been a year.

Melissa Breau: On that note, a ton has happened, not just in the world, but at FDSA this year, and I know we've got some plans for some more stuff next year. To start us out, Denise, do you want to just give us a loose rundown of some of the exciting stuff that happened in the last twelve months?

Denise Fenzi: A lot did happen, and we did talk about this a little bit beforehand, and it actually surprises me because it feels like this has been the longest year of my life. On the plus side, we did get a lot done and it is reflected in the school.

Some of the things we did do this year, we had The Lemonade Conference, we'll talk a little more about that. That was in partnership with IAABC. I think that was our first event that we did with another organization, and it was a whole lot of fun. So that was pretty awesome.

We started the Canine Cooperative Care program through TEAM. We've already had TEAM obedience, and Deb Jones has absolutely spearheaded this, made it happen, and made it great. Super-exciting to see people take an interest in that, and giving them a way to have some recognition for their accomplishments, so we're really happy about that program.

The most recent one, also in the TEAM program, is nosework. We added nosework, and our three central nosework instructors, Julie Symons, Melissa Chandler, and Stacy Barnett, did a spectacular job on a very complicated program. For those of you who are involved in the nosework TEAM players list on Facebook, you know how hard they worked and what a great program they've turned out. For people who cannot or will not or do not want to go to nosework competitions, there is now a really well-designed online option for you. That started just a few weeks ago and there are still a little bit of flux, a little bit of thinking to be done.

We started the Pet Dog Training Online Program. That's huge. It's a whole lot of videos — I think we'll talk about that a little bit later — and it is targeted at the pet parent, what I call an engaged pet parent. That is a person who is not a dog person — if you're listening to this podcast, you're a dog person — and it's not the average person who went and got a dog and never takes it to training and it just sort of exists. It's that person in the middle who really wants to do right by their dog but doesn't want to be a dog trainer. So we have that now for them.

And we had boot camps, which until Teri reminded us, as we were talking this through, I had forgotten all about them. Boot camps were designed to give FDSA students more of an opportunity to practice fundamental skills in person by having instructors, or pairs of instructors, travel around the world teaching boot camps for two days. We did exactly one, and then COVID happened. All of the rest of the year that was scheduled, we had to cancel all of them. These aren't dead; they're just on hold. But we did start the boot camp program with the videos and all that, and we will get back to it. So I don't know. Is that enough for one year?

Melissa Breau: It certainly felt like enough.

Teri Martin: Sounds like a good start to me.

Melissa Breau: I do want to talk about each of those a little bit more, starting with The Lemonade Conference back in May. Do you want to talk about what happened that led to the conference?

Denise Fenzi: COVID was ratcheting up right before … I guess that was February or March. We were looking at our own in-person conference. I am not a risk-averse person in general. I'm actually a fairly risk-taker person and pretty willing to go forward, but I was very risk-averse about COVID. The idea that we might hold our conference and people might get sick there was beyond my tolerance, and so we decided to cancel camp fairly early in the process rather than taking our chances.

As a result of that, I was able to talk with IAABC, who was in a similar boat. They also had a conference coming up, and so we talked about it together: What do we have to offer? If we both cancel our conferences, that leaves people with not only a hole in education, but more importantly a hole in community. So what can we do? Can we do anything? Are we fools to even be having this conversation? By the way, the answer to that is yes, we were. But by the end of that conversation, each of us went back to our organizations, our staff, and said, "Can we make some lemonade out of lemons? Can we host something together that will give our community something to feel good about?" And that's what we did.

We went ahead and hosted the online Lemonade Conference. It was enormous. It was extremely popular, way beyond what anybody even began to envision in terms of worldwide participation. The sheer volume … do you remember how many presenters we had? What was the deal on that one?

Melissa Breau: A lot. It was a lot

Teri Martin: Fifty-four, I think.

Denise Fenzi: It was huge.

Teri Martin: I just want to add that this was mostly planned on Friday the 13th.

Denise Fenzi: I didn't even know that.

Teri Martin: It was, because I was on a plane coming home on Friday the 13th in March, and so I just remember that date specifically because I checked on it. When I booked the flight, I asked my husband asked if he was OK to fly on Friday the 13th and instead we planned a conference.

Denise Fenzi: We did. We certainly did.

Melissa Breau: Get you to book flights, Teri.

Teri Martin: Actually it worked out pretty well. A lot of that stuff worked out for me.

Melissa Breau: Any big takeaways from TLC?

Denise Fenzi: One thing I would say is it's probably not a great idea to plan a conference in two months. I mean, we did it and it worked, and Melissa, I know for a fact you took the brunt of a lot of that. But I also know that a lot of the volunteers, both on the IAABC side and the staff side over at FDSA, got hit pretty hard. And so I will say it again: Thank you so much to all of those people who volunteered and who helped in various capacities on both sides, because I think in some cases people thought they were signing up for a relatively minor job which ended up being a rather significant job.

While everybody did their best to make that work out, we added additional people, we did all kinds of little things. We so appreciate those people in the community who made that work for us. So generally don't organize a big conference with a three-month lead time. It just happened; we didn't really have a choice.

At the same time, I think what you could say is … a takeaway is sometimes you just have to do it. And so we did do it, and it was a little painful, but at the end of TLC, I felt that there was this enormous change in the community in terms of a cooperative. And there was just so much stepping up that took place across the industry. I'm really grateful for that, and I appreciate how people made it happen. That was fantastic, and I think the end result after the conference kept people going at a really difficult time, which is what we were hoping for.

So my big takeaway ... it's ironic because it's two parts. One, don't try to do a conference in three months, but at the same time, sometimes just go ahead and take those risks and great things will come from them. So I don't know. Two sides of the same coin.

Melissa Breau: Indeed. Anything on your end, Teri?

Teri Martin: Just it really was a cool experience to have the warm, fuzzy excitement and to be in those live sessions and have people so happy to be there and learning. And once again just totally reinforced how valid online learning really can be for everybody. It's the success of our school, but it was really cool to see it come together in a virtual camp like that.

Melissa Breau: TLC this past year was a replacement for Camp. That said, do you want to talk about the plan for next year TLC?

Denise Fenzi: Yeah, the refill. How could we not do it again? It was such an amazing experience that you knew it had to happen again. Everybody knew it had to come back. So it is coming back. Our dates are May 7 through 9. We made some real effort to bring in some new faces, maybe some people that are not well known within the industry but who offer a lot, some really promising future stars. And we made an effort to find some fresh topics and new directions, so you'll definitely want to keep an eye on that. The presenter list is out. Do you recall the name of the Facebook list? If they search The Lemonade Conference II, do you think that will do it on Facebook?

Teri Martin: It's an event page off of Fenzi Dog Sports Academy page, so if they go to our regular page on Facebook, it will show as one of our events coming up.

Denise Fenzi: Super, because the list of presenters would be there.

Melissa Breau: I can also stick a link to the event page in the show notes. So if anybody wants to, they can pull up the show notes on their phone, or whatever you're listening to this on, and click on the link there and it will pop up for you.

Denise Fenzi: Melissa, do we know yet when the website will be up again, updated for the new year?

Melissa Breau: The website should be up mid-to-late January. The target date is January 15, but I'm not promising. It should be on time, though. We're doing good. The back end is coming together well. And then registration happens in mid-to-late February.

Denise Fenzi: So things are happening.

Melissa Breau: Things are definitely happening.

Teri Martin: It's a great line up you guys… You'll be excited to see all the instructors and the topics that are on tap for this year.

Denise Fenzi: Yeah, I think so. There's definitely some faces I can't wait to see and some topics I'm super-personally interested in hearing about.

Teri Martin: We should clarify that we're not going to be totally insane this year and run till midnight.

Denise Fenzi: No. We do learn. We have something over cucumbers. We do learn. So we did condense that a bit. But I don't think we dropped our number of people. We just reorganized.

Melissa Breau: We'll have more rooms going at any given point, but it will be slightly shorter hours for the day. So a little more choice-making for attendees, but everything goes in the library anyway. What about for Camp? Do we know yet if it's happening in 2021?

Teri Martin: Yes, we do know, or hopefully know. We're really hoping it's going to go. We are booked into Albany, Oregon, on October 15 to 17, 2021. It all just depends on COVID. We'll probably have to make some decisions — late spring or early summer would be our deadline for that. Denise, do you want to talk more about what we're thinking with that process?

Denise Fenzi: It's a similar thought process to last year. We are not going to take risks with our students or our staff. That really is the bottom line. With that in mind, there are certain things that simply have to happen, or Camp won't be able to happen, which would be terribly unfortunate. Everybody has to be able to have access to the vaccine, and that's just not optional. We can't have most of the people are maybe safe. The local health departments have to one hundred percent say it's totally acceptable to hold large events. If the CDC is saying, "We don't recommend," even if it's legally allowed, if it is not recommended, we will not host the event. If unfortunately some of these new strains we're hearing about that may be spreading faster or maybe aren't covered by the vaccine, or we discover that the vaccine doesn't last as long as we would want, any of those would cancel Camp. Of course we don't want to cancel Camp, but we don't want to cause harm. So that's the bottom line. We will take the conservative route. We are hopeful, but we are going to be conservative about the matter.

Teri Martin: So, fingers crossed, hopefully we'll get to go.

Melissa Breau: Hopefully it's late enough in the year that by October, things will be starting. We'll have a much better picture and things will be slowly recuperating in the world. Now, that said, whether or not 2021 goes forward, there are definite plans announced for 2022, right?

Denise Fenzi: Yeah.

Teri Martin: Yes.

Melissa Breau: Do either of you want to share?

Denise Fenzi: We're heading back to Ohio. May 27 through 29, 2022, back at the Eukanuba Center. We've been there before, it was a pleasant place for us to have our event, so that is 2022, for those of you who are more central East Coast.

Melissa Breau: I know we chatted a little bit before this about if Camp doesn't happen in 2021, you said we'll probably return West Coast in 2023, is that right?

Teri Martin: Yes. We will make every effort, if it gets cancelled for 2021, to make sure that the 2023 Camp is for sure someplace on the West Coast.

Denise Fenzi: The reason we can't move 2022 to the West Coast, the way we were able to this year, is because of how the center schedule. We couldn't do that. We would either not be able to schedule at all for 2022, or we had to choose and then put down that deposit and make that happen. That's why we're not just pushing off Albany every year. But we would for sure come back in 2023.

Teri Martin: Because we really miss them and it would be awesome to see them. Camp is one of those … as much as TLC is a wonderful bonding experience, when you go to real-life Camp, it's a totally different animal and it's fun to see all those people that we see online and actually meet their dogs in person and meet the instructors in person.

Denise Fenzi: Absolutely. It's a huge bonding event and we'd all love to get back to it for sure.

Melissa Breau: Anything else you want to cover about TLC or Camp?

Denise Fenzi: The only thing I would say is I hope you're able to attend. We make every effort to make the price exceptionally reasonable and fair, and we do offer scholarships. So I certainly hope that if you can attend, that you attend, either online with TLC or in person with Camp, and we will do what we can do to make that happen for you.

Teri Martin: We could mention, especially with the online Camp, that scholarships are going to be a big factor again this year, because we know how many people really needed those and utilized those last year.

Denise Fenzi: I don't even know how many we gave out, but we gave out a lot of scholarships, and we're grateful for every single person who took one and came to Camp and took the benefit from it. We want you there.

The way we do our scholarships, we basically ask if you need one. Nobody wants to see your tax return, so this isn't an embarrassing event, and nobody asks you personal questions. If you need a scholarship, you say you need a scholarship, and that's really the end of the conversation, and we are grateful to have you there. It's no different than that.

We want you there. So certainly, if you want to be there, I will be extra-disappointed if you say you didn't come because you couldn't afford it and you didn't want to take a scholarship. That, to me, is a disappointment.

Melissa Breau: Camp wasn't the only thing that got put on hold this year. You mentioned initially boot camps, and we originally planned to launch and host a bunch of boot camps this year. Do you want to share an update on what the plans are, what they were, what you're thinking?

Denise Fenzi: Deb Jones and I did the first boot camp back in North Carolina. It was so fun. It was really great. Melissa was there, actually. I don't remember how many people we had, but I can't even describe it. It was almost like a mini-camp that had a lot of good camaraderie and a lot of excellent learning, hands-on time, so we do want to get back to it.

The basic criteria are the same. We will be conservative about it. But as soon as it appears that people are safe to travel and that we can go back to those boot camps, please keep an eye out. We will bring them back. But I think it's fair to say that that won't happen until, the very earliest, the end of 2021, because then we would have to schedule them, and more realistically I think 2022.

Melissa Breau: We talked about the conference in May, we talked about plans for Camp, we talked a little bit about boot camp. Later in the year this year, we launched a brand-new online training program, the Pet Dog Training Online Program. Do you want to talk about where the idea for that program came from?

Denise Fenzi: This is a joke, but it's actually not really a joke. Melissa and I were sitting on the floor at the boot camp while Deb was doing some speaking. There was a little break, and I don't remember exactly how the conversation started, but something about it would be pretty cool to offer some videos online for the average pet person, just to fill in those gaps. She looked online and she's like, "Oh, look. Pet Dog Training Online. The URL is available." I'm like, "Buy the URL. We'll figure out what to do with it later."

But what do you do with a URL called "Pet Dog Training Online"? I think it's self-explanatory: you do pet dog training online. So that's what we did. We made a pet dog training online program, so we filled out the URL. It's basically designed for your friends and your neighbors and your co-workers and random people who ask you for help. They're struggling with their dog, they're looking for a dog-friendly solution to their problems, FDSA is probably a little too intense for them, a little too much for the average person walking in the door.

These are those quick one-hour videos where you can feel safe referring people to them because you know the methods are going to be comfortable for you and hopefully easy for the average person to understand. So terminology was kept simple, but it's not watered down. It's simply given in language that is appropriate for the average pet person. So far we're getting great reviews on them. People seem really excited about them, happy about them.

I know that we arranged something for FDSA breeders, people who are involved in the school and in the FDSA Breeder Facebook group online, to be able to provide a bit of a discount for their puppy buyers, and they are taking advantage of that, so that's exciting. If you are a person in that group, go ahead and send a note over to help@fenziacademy.com and we'll get you registered as an FDSA breeder so you can take advantage of that. So far, the program's going really well. We're pretty excited about that.

Melissa Breau: I know, in terms of price point and what's involved, we made a point to make it gift-certificate friendly. Teri, do you want to talk a little about that?

Teri Martin: Sure. We have the individual offerings, as Denise discussed. We also worked hard to make some packages that are super-attractive for pet people, and for even our regular students who are just looking at these topics. We have two different sections. We have mini starter packs and then we have a group pack.

The starter packs are two related topics. If you're bringing your puppy home, it's the socialization and welcoming the puppy, how to prepare your house, that sort of thing. The price point on those are $29.95. And then we have a bigger puppy pack, which is a five-pack, and that would be $65.

We coincidentally have gift certificates for both those amounts that you can send to your favorite people. I have sent one for a friend of mine already who got a new little adorable puppy, and she is loving having information. And it's helping me because the questions to me are really cut down, so it's actually really good for everybody. So it's fun.

Denise Fenzi: It was a gift to you, Teri, but just...

Teri Martin: It was a gift to me. It was definitely getting her in the right headspace to be able to deal with a puppy and "Oh my god, it's not going to kill me just because it's biting me; it's just playing," and really understanding. For somebody who's a first-time puppy owner, this was super, super valuable information.

And I might add to that as well. I actually looked at a couple of them just randomly. I haven't seen all of them, but there's a lot of really valuable information for everybody, not just the brand-new pet person. There's some

really good stuff in there.

Melissa Breau: Awesome. Do you want to — because I know you get asked this all the time at the help desk anyway — just tell them where they can go to click on those gift certificates?

Teri Martin: Sure. The link is on our homepage, right off of the Student Resources section. So go ahead, and if you have any problems, you should be able to go in, put your email in, it will email you the information for the gift certificate with the code and everything that you get. If, for some reason that doesn't show up, just give us a shout at help@ fenziacademy.com and we're happy to search those down, because sometimes the Internet gods like to eat things that we don't want them to, but we are happy to help you out. They're super-easy to use, and like I said, if anybody needs any assistance, reach out to us and we can help you with those.

Melissa Breau: Teri mentioned a couple of the topics in there. Denise, do you want to expand a little bit on what type of topics are included in the program and what the videos cover?

Denise Fenzi: Oh gosh, every time I'm asked this question my mind goes blank. But I do know when we were thinking about it we were saying things like, "What does a new person want?" They generally want some very basic obedience — sit, down. They want a recall. Who doesn't want a recall? What do they do about puppy mouthing? If two puppies are roughhousing, are they aggressive?

So we try to cover the things that we hear all the time anyway: "What do I do about …" with new puppy? Or how about a new adult dog? You bring in a new adult dog and maybe it's a little fearful. How do you handle that? There's very basic stuff on counter-conditioning. We try to go through and hit on those things that you probably get asked about a lot, if you're a dog person, when your neighbor gets a new puppy. How do you teach loose-leash walking? That's really what we try to do.

And then there's a couple of fun things. We have a new one going up called "Rough and Tumble," which is sort of parkour for pet people, very relaxed, not a lot of rules, not meant to be about competition, but meant to be friendly and safe and somebody getting out there with their dog and having a good time. That one will go up in about a month, I think. I know the video just came through. But keep an eye on it. There's all kinds of fun stuff over there.

Melissa Breau: For those not in the know, there's a way to get a free video, right?

Denise Fenzi: There is. I don't even know which one is up there right now, but I do know that if you go to petdogtrainingonline.com and click on the Get Email Updates button, you will end up on a landing page which gives you free access to one of the videos for thirty days. Sadly, you do not get to pick your video, but we picked for you, and of course we picked something good. So go check it out, see what it is, and tell us what you think.

Melissa Breau: I know in addition to the Pet Dog Training Online thing, we've made some changes to the Pet Professionals Program. Do you want to talk about those and what people can expect going forward?

Denise Fenzi: We did stop the Pet Professionals Program when COVID hit, because I think so many people just were trying to keep their heads above water, and it just felt inappropriate at that time to be pushing that when most people wanted to survive. So we decided to take that program down for a short period of time.

The good news is dog trainers have recovered, because there's this thing called COVID puppies. Everybody went out and got a dog. So the good news is dog trainers … many have evolved and found ways to make it work, and are nice and busy and thriving.

However, as we were organizing the new program, the Pet Dog Program Online, what we realized is that we were creating an awful lot of overlap between the two programs. And so what we decided to do was to shrink the Pet Professionals Program. We had a blowout sale where anybody could buy anything through a self-study option, and then we selected fifteen or so that were not duplicated at all in the Pet Dog Program. They are run at a more sophisticated level to the pet dog trainer, the professional trainer, and those will be offered soon on the same page as the Pet Dog Training Online Program. They'll have their own tab. Teri, when do you think those will be up there?

Teri Martin: Hopefully by end of this month. If not, for sure by mid-January.

Denise Fenzi: So you can keep an eye out for those.

Melissa Breau: I'm sure we'll make a big fuss about it when they go back up, and everybody can go check them out. That's not the only program that's changed a bit this year. We alluded at the beginning that TEAM has had some fun stuff going on there. Do you want to talk a little bit about the new programs?

Denise Fenzi: Yeah. Canine Cooperative Care — that's Deb Jones' baby. You have Levels 1 through 3. You also have a Plus Level. You don't have to get them all right, and you can edit pieces together, but what we're looking for is that your dog can comfortably go through basic procedures, that you can look at your dog's ears and eyes and trim nails and do things like this. So check that one out.

The Nosework program is really looking for those foundation skills. Can your dog search high and low, and outdoors and indoors, in vehicles and novel locations and novel objects or containers. Check that out too.

I already see that both programs have super-active Facebook groups. It's already showing that camaraderie that we see in the basic TEAM program, where the students go to great lengths to work together to help each other be successful, so you don't end up submitting videos that aren't quite right, maybe you missed some rules because rules are hard at first and you don't know them.

But I hope you'll check those things out. They're fun and they're a great way to get motivated to move forward, especially right now, when people are feeling a little lonely and a little housebound. So that's what we've got there.

Melissa Breau: Do you want to talk about how they complement the previous TEAM titling program?

Denise Fenzi: TEAM is a lot of fun. The basic idea when we did TEAM was really about precision. The precision was designed to take anybody into any dog sports, because learning things like rear end awareness or moving on a disc or on a platform, these things are going to matter no matter what. Even in agility, you want that kind of stuff. It's not just obedience. But as time went by, some people really wanted specialized stuff. They didn't want one nosework exercise; they really wanted to test their skills.

We were having so much fun with the basic TEAM program and the students were so excited about it that why not expand it into other areas and make those available for our students, and that's what we've done.

Melissa Breau: One thing you haven't gotten into yet, but I know that we've talked about a little bit elsewhere is the fact that folks only have to register for TEAM once. Do you want to talk about some of those bits and pieces and how that all works? Maybe Teri wants to take that one.

Teri Martin: Sure. Anybody can register as a user in TEAM, the person themselves, and that puts you on our newsletter list and that sort of thing. You then pay to register your dog, once you are ready to submit for your title. You can register just once, and then you can do any of the three different sports, either regular TEAM, Nosework, or Canine Cooperative Care. Once your dog is registered, that's it forever. There's no other additional fees, other than your video testing submission fees.

Melissa Breau: So the same as in AKC or something like that. You register your dog and then you go do the thing.

Teri Martin: Exactly.

Melissa Breau: Any other plans for TEAM additions? Anything, any additions, that's being discussed?

Teri Martin: This makes me laugh always...

Denise Fenzi: Shut up, Teri!

Teri Martin: There's always discussion… Secret stuff that everybody will go, "Ooh, shiny thing!"

Denise Fenzi: Usually I'm the one saying, "I have an idea," and my team is like, "No!" And this one, I don't know why, but Teri is the one who's like, "I have an idea for TEAM," and I'm like, "Shut up, Teri!"

Teri Martin: This goes back to the whole conference in two to three months. Denise acts like that's uncommon, but really that's pretty much how we do stuff.

Denise Fenzi: We're brewing the idea, and by the time we say, "Let's do it," we've already done enough brewing that it's not terrible. But we've got a couple of things that we're toying with, what happens if, what are the complications.

Teri Martin: We're busy spring time, so we're waiting. Maybe in summertime we'll look at new stuff.

Denise Fenzi: That sounds good.

Melissa Breau: In addition to all the other fun stuff, FDSA is having our annual workshops sale right now. Do you want to share the details?

Teri Martin: Sure. We did a poll to our alumni group and asked them which of the workshops that we ran last year that they're really upset that they missed out on. They gave us a list of what their top candidates are, and I think we have fifteen, sixteen.

Denise Fenzi: Sixteen.

Teri Martin: Sixteen that are going to go on sale on Wednesday, March 23 … March? December. I must still be in denial over Christmas happening. Two days … just after we're taping this, they'll go up, and you'll have until Monday, January 3, I think it was. There's a newsletter that went out to everybody. They'll be on our website, and it's a great chance to get them, and you will get the live presentation and you also get to view the recording of the instructor feedback they did to all of the students. So it's a great chance to catch up on something you might have missed out on.

Melissa Breau: This will actually come out … we're recording on Monday, the sale opens on Wednesday, and this will actually come out on Friday, so when you are listening to this, the sale will be open, and if you want, you can go click over and check those out. Anything else you ladies want to share that folks can look forward to in 2021, or that you want to talk about from this past year?

Denise Fenzi: I guess the only thing I would say is it was a very difficult year for so many of us, in so many ways, and I'm glad that FDSA was there for many of you, because I do know that FDSA provided a constant that really gave people direction. I got a lot of responses from people basically saying this has been a very hard year, and maybe taking a class, maybe with a scholarship, gave them something to look forward to. So I'm glad that the school was able to weather forward a tough time and offer something for a lot of people who needed something at that time. Hopefully next year we'll just look up every which way.

Teri Martin: We know that you guys have a lot of choices out there, and we really appreciate your loyalty and dedication, and how you greatly promote everybody, promote the school to other people. We appreciate you doing that.

Melissa Breau: Thank you, ladies, for coming on the podcast!

Teri Martin: Thanks, Melissa.

Denise Fenzi: Thank you, Melissa.

Melissa Breau: And thank you to all of our wonderful listeners for tuning in. We'll be back next week. Don't miss it! If you haven't already, subscribe to our podcast in iTunes or the podcast app of your choice to have our next episode automatically downloaded to your phone as soon as it becomes available. 


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